1:55pm: The team is expected to remain in the Tampa Bay area if the current sale process is completed, Marc Topkin and Colleen Wright of the Tampa Bay Times report. It’s not yet clear where exactly within that region Zalupski’s group would seek to have a new stadium built.
12:18pm: The Rays have issued the following statement acknowledging the negotiations but declined to provide further comment or details:
“The Tampa Bay Rays announced that the team has recently commenced exclusive discussions with a group led by Patrick Zalupski, Bill Cosgrove, Ken Babby and prominent Tampa Bay investors concerning a possible sale of the team. Neither the Rays nor the group will have further comment during the discussions.”
11:40am: Rays owner Stuart Sternberg is in “advanced talks” with Jacksonville real estate developer Patrick Zalupski about a sale of the franchise for approximately $1.7 billion, per a report from Scott Soshnick and Kurt Badenhausen of Sportico. Zalupski has signed a letter of intent to purchase the club, the Sportico pair adds, though that does not signify that a deal will definitely cross the line. Still, Joel Sherman off the New York Post hears similarly, reporting that talks between the two parties are serious and that the Zalupski-led group is the only buyer with which the Rays are negotiating at the moment.
Sternberg purchased the Rays franchise for $200MM back in 2004 and has spent years unsuccessfully attempting to secure public funding for a new stadium in or around the St. Petersburg/Tampa area. A deal finally looked to be well on its way toward completion a year ago, but Hurricane Milton wrought catastrophic damage on Tropicana Field, derailing those plans and pushing the Rays to temporarily relocate to Tampa’s George M. Steinbrenner Field — home to the Yankees’ Florida State League affiliate and their annual home park during spring training.
Zalupski is the CEO of Dream Finders Homes, a publicly traded, Jacksonville-based developer that has built more than 31,000 homes across ten states. Forbes estimates his net worth at $1.4 billion, while his company’s valuation rests at $3.4 billion.
Per Sportico, Zalupski is the lead investor in a larger group that counts Ken Babby and Bill Cosgrove among several potential minority stakeholders. The former holds majority stakes in the Marlins’ Triple-A affiliate and the Guardians’ Double-A club and is the son of prominent NBA agent (and former Phoenix Suns president of basketball operations) Lon Babby. The latter is the CEO of Union Home Mortgage Group. Other investors are involved and figure to come to light if the sale process indeed continues toward completion.
The potential sale of the team comes just months after spring reports suggesting that commissioner Rob Manfred and several owners throughout MLB were beginning to pressure Sternberg to orchestrate a sale of the club. At the time, Sternberg was said to at the very least be courting additional minority owners to invest in the team — all while local business leaders were in the early stages of putting together groups to potentially pursue a majority stake in the club. None of Zalupski, Cosgrove or Babby were listed as prospective buyers at the time, though it’s fair to presume they were involved in and/or spearheading some of those early efforts.
Sternberg has owned the Rays for more than two decades, and the team’s stadium has been at the forefront of any and all narratives surrounding the organization since that time. With the A’s in the process of moving to a new home on the Las Vegas strip, Tropicana Field was considered perhaps the most dilapidated facility in Major League Baseball — even before last year’s hurricane damage, which saw the entire roof ripped off “the Trop” and left the Rays without a home stadium for a few months. The move to Steinbrenner Field currently only runs through the 2025 season.
Throughout his time owning the Rays, Sternberg has explored a variety of options ranging from constructing a new facility on the existing site of Tropicana Field, to building a new stadium in downtown Ybor City — even to a convoluted split arrangement that would see the Rays host half their home games in Florida and half in Montreal. Beyond the dated nature of Tropicana Field, the location of the park has been a frequent source of consternation for fans; the stadium is not in Tampa proper but rather on the nearby — and, for many, difficult to access — Pinellas County peninsula in the city of St. Petersburg. That’s one of many prominent factors in the Rays’ longstanding attendance troubles.
With the Rays residing in a small media market and perennially unable to ramp up attendance, payroll has been a frequent issue. Tampa Bay is among the bottom teams in the league each year in terms of player payroll, despite receiving hefty annual sums from the league’s revenue-sharing system. The constant payroll restrictions from Sternberg have led to the Rays becoming notorious for developing star players then trading them off to other clubs for packages of younger, more controllable and — crucially — cheaper talent. That’s created something of a self-fulfilling prophecy, as it’s hard to retain fans and bolster attendance when local residents’ favorite players are constantly being shipped out for young players that are general unknowns to the majority of the fan base.
Prior to Hurricane Milton, the Rays had a tentative agreement for the construction of a $1.3 billion, 30,000-seat facility in the Gas Plant district near the existing Tropicana Field site. Construction of that park was part of a larger $6.5 billion redevelopment project in the area. Mass hurricane damage in the area slowed critical votes on funding and raised difficult to unanswerable questions about the cost of repairing Tropicana Field, the viability of potential interim homes for the Rays and various other logistical issues. Sternberg announced back in March that his team was no longer pursuing the Gas Plant project — an outcome that had grown increasingly inevitable as frustrations between the team, the city of St. Petersburg and Pinellas County all played out in ugly, public fashion.
The lost 2025 season at Tropicana Field also pushed the Rays’ existing lease at the stadium back a year; it had been slated to expire after the 2027 season but now runs through the 2028 campaign. Of course, it’s still not entirely clear that Tropicana Field will be repaired in time for the Rays to play their 2026 home games there. Colleen Wright of the Tampa Bay Times recently reported that the city of St. Petersburg approved another $5.3MM in funding, bringing the total to $38.5MM of the estimated $57MM needed to repair Tropicana Field’s damages. Whether the remainder of that funding will be approved and whether the requisite work can be completed in a timely manner remain unclear.
If the potential sale goes through, there will still be more questions than answers. The hope is that Tropicana Field will be ready at or very near the beginning of the 2026 regular season. Even if that timeline stays on track — in terms of securing remaining funding, completing the work and the wild card of avoiding any further weather damage during hurricane season — it still wouldn’t be clear where the team’s home games would take place following the 2028 campaign.
Manfred has said his hope is to keep two teams in Florida, though even that opens various possibilities. The Rays have explored building sites in several neighborhoods, and Hall of Famer Barry Larkin referenced the Rays’ ongoing stadium concerns when discussing his efforts as part of a group that hopes to bring Major League Baseball to Orlando. Looking beyond Florida, the cities of Nashville, Salt Lake City and Portland have made a desire to bring MLB to their cities known as well. All of those locations will be speculatively tied to the Rays as the current ownership situation plays out.
What’s Sportico
If you click on the link it will take you to that article. It’s a more business-focused sports media site
I copied the article and replaced “Stuart Sternberg” with “Arte Moreno” and then “Rays” with “Angels” and it made my day.
You wish lol.
Oh how we wish that was the case.
While I get everybody wants their team to spend money on their own teams or sell. As some teams should but when is enough going to be enough. These guys still get paid a king’s ransom to play a game. Which a lot of them act like spoiled brats. Yes get some type of ceiling and basement set in salary. Then we also need to find a commissioner who doesn’t change rules or product to get the results to what he wants to happen. Then also get teams that have the best players on the roster period regardless the age or salary of the player.
Stubby, I get your point, in the case of Angels, it has less to do with money spent on players and more to with funds spent on team operations. That includes the scouting system, the front office, analytics and player facilities. Arte Moreno has been known to cut corners in all of these aspects. The recent MLB survey of players reflects this notion. The fans of Orange County are numerous and strong, and we’re sick and tired of the dog and pony show of free Hawaiian shirts and cheap bobble heads.
While the Rays take heat for selling their stars most all of those ‘stars’ declined after the trades.
Crawford
Longoria
Archer
Price
Zobrist
Fans that want to keep their star players beyond age 30 are doing their team no favors.
Stubby enough is enough when teams don’t make money. Do you want the revenue going to the players or just the owners? Unfortunately the small market team won’t get a media rights deal large market teams get. The NBA is a cap league but in it’s CBA it says 48% of revenue must go to player payroll. You think the MLBPA doesn’t want it’s share of the revenue pie? Sports in the past didn’t make this kind of money.
Yeah, when is enough going to be enough? Buying a team for 200M$ and selling it for nearly 10x that in 2 decades. Getting a cities taxpayers to pay for your stadium. Boo the players for getting what they are worth on an “semi” open market. Nonsense.
There is a ceiling & a basement, the ceiling is the sky the basement is whatever you can get away with. Let’s keep the line moving, stubby. Ahahahahahaha!
It’s a place to play sports in Puerto Rico.
Great news for baseball. Now the next move is to relocate the team because Tampa has never been able to support the Rays. And I used to live there and go to games so don’t poo poo on my opinion.
Jacksonville seems like a perfect location.
Orlando is the best Florida market. If the team moves out of the Tampa-St. Pete area, it will be to Orlando.
I believe Orlando is the go to spot in Florida. Florida has half of spring training yet does not support either major league team. One team centrally located in the heart of the state. That leaves Portland, Salt Lake, and Nashville open for three. IMHO.
Jacksonville actually has young Floridians….it’s not a giant retirement village or city of tourists.
Sorry for you I suppose that they’re not going anywhere.
It is great news for baseball, but you are wrong about Tampa. Its St Peterburg that can’t support baseball. The Rays need to be moved across all those freaking bridges into Tampa proper. They will draw fans there just like the other teams in that part of the Tampa Bay area do.
There’s so much to do in the summer in Florida it’s hard to get fans to fill the stands day in and day out. That’s why the Marlins don’t even do well. It’s just geography.
I heard in regards to Miami that the folks with money actually go to their homes in northern climes during the hot muggy Miami summers. The folks who are left are the working class/service workers who don’t always have the income to go to multiple games. Miami also lacks the tech and corporate headquarters that sustain year around white collar jobs in the city. So in actuality Miami is not the most ideal for summer baseball…spring training on the other hand has always been a hit. I don’t think these same socio-economic issues pertain to the Tampa Bay area.
It’s not socioeconomic. It’s a lack of interest because there’s so much to do in the Tampa area besides watch baseball for three hours. A large part of the fans that come to games bought tickets because they cheer for another team.
There is just as much to do in San Diego. Stands full every night.
The Rays and Marlins have ballparks in horrible, hard to get to areas. Add to that the bad taste that Loria and Sherman have left in Marlins fan’s mouths and you have the actual reasons that they don’t draw fans.
Its not a lack of interest. Tampa area minor league teams draw well in comparison to other areas of the country and they have several minor league teams.
That’s exaggerated to the point of being pretty much wrong.
Yes, there are some snowbirds who live in the Miami area only part of the year.
But it’s a 6+ million population metro area. It has a significant number of good paying financial services and corporate jobs, including a number of big US multinationals running their Latin American operations from Miami.
Miami metro also has some poor areas and lower-paying service-industry jobs, including a significant tourism industry. Add it all up, though, and both household and per capita income are right around the US median. censusreporter.org/profiles/31000US33100-miami-for…
Neither lack of population, nor lack of population with significant income, explain why the Marlins draw so poorly.
@ Pads fans – is the Marlins stadium tough to get to?
I haven’t been there, but doesn’t look like it going by a map. The Marlins stadium is a couple miles from downtown Miami and close to a big expressway. Looks very different from the Rays situation with their stadium in St. Petersburg.
Its in a really bad area. Its not hard to get to, you just don’t WANT to get to it.
The Rays, iirc, have solid local TV ratings. In the same metro area, the Lightning draw well playing at an arena in Tampa, which is a better overall location for people in the metro area to get to games. So there are data points strongly suggesting that stadium location is a big factor in the Rays’ attendance woes.
The Marlins’ issues are different: much bigger population metro area (almost double Tampa-St. Pete MSA) with not much local interest going by either attendance or TV ratings.
Nutting and Reinsdorf take note: there’s never been a better time to sell!!!
Same with John Stanton and Co. with the Mariners…sell the team Stanton!
If we sell we might get moved to okc
Nobody wants to buy the Pirates and keep them in the historically bad Pittsburgh baseball market.
Your record is stuck on the same lyrics, Richard. Look for scratches on your vinyl.
No.
The Nutting-haters have been stuck on the same lyrics every day for two decades because they can’t accept the reality that Pittsburgh is now, and always has been, a bad market for baseball.
RichardAI
Pittsburgh isn’t a bad baseball market when there is a watchable product on the field, and I can back that up with a stat for you. In 2015, they drew 2,498,596 fans to PNC Park. This included an average of 30,847 fans per game over their 81 home games. Oh, and not coincidentally, that season also saw the Pirates win 98 games,
Give Pittsburgh fans something to watch, they’ll turn out. Give them nothing outside of Skenes, of course attendance will be way down. Don’t blame the fans or market there though for a lousy owner.
Thanx for the more prudent facts, Outlaw.
In 2015, when the Pirates won the second-most games in MLB and went to the playoffs for the third straight year, they were NINTH of the FIFTEEN National League teams in attendance. The Brewers, who play in a smaller market than Pittsburgh, had a record of 68-94 that season and had a higher attendance than the Pirates.
In 1992, the Pirates won their division for the third straight season and couldn’t sell out the National League Championship Series.
In 1979, the Pirates won the World Series and were TENTH of the TWELVE National League teams in attendance.
Even when the Pirates are one of the best teams in baseball, their attendance is substandard.
Pittsburgh has a Fifty year history of being a bad market for baseball.
Appalachian_Outlaw,
You cite the 30,847 attendance figure as something special for a team that won 98 games and reached the playoffs for the third straight season.
The Colorado Rockies currently have record of 16-57 and are drawing 27,522 per game.. just 3,300 fewer than the Pirates drew when they were one of the very best teams in baseball and 10,000 more than the Pirates are drawing this year.
I haven’t been to Pitt in a while, but my understanding is, that has gentrified immensely. There was a lot of money associated with Google, Carnegie Mellon and tech startups pumped into the local economy. Distant history is not relevant.
Milwaukee has almost double the population of Pittsburgh, so they should have more fans.
FWIW, the Steelers are 17 of 31 in franchise valuation (5.3B) from 2024 Forbes list with an operating budget also as 17 of 31 teams — in the same city. Obviously, this isn’t the same sport and different owners, but Pirates are 24 of 30 MLB teams in franchise valuations from 2024 Forbes article, with an operating budget is around the same.
That should illustrate that there’s room for growth in the same market. If the Pirates winning pct were higher consistently than Steelers and still the same results, then I could see the theorization that they’re hitting their ceiling.
The Pittsburgh metropolitan area has a population of 2.42 million.
The Milwaukee metropolitan area has a population of 1.56 million.
statista.com/statistics/183600/population-of-metro…
Run DMC,
As I wrote above, the Pirates went to the playoffs for the third straight time in 2015 and had the second most wins in MLB. Their attendance was 9th of the 15 National League teams. The Brewers, who play in a smaller market than Pittsburgh and had a record of 68-94 that year, had a higher attendance than the Pirates.
You have it backwards. Pittsburgh metro is far larger than Milwaukee metro. “While Milwaukee’s metropolitan area population is around 1.5 million residents
, Pittsburgh’s metropolitan area population is actually larger, with over 2.45 million residents according to the 2020 Census.”
The metro population or city and close suburb population is the more important number. Pittsburgh metro is listed at 2.46M and Milwaukee at 1.57M so Milwaukee actually has almost 1M less potential fans in just the near suburbs and still regularly trounces Pittsburgh in attendance.
It is mostly the system that alienated a possible generation of baseball fans in flyover country because of the widening income discrepancy. It has little to do with being a bad baseball market, as those cities supported their teams very well when there was a snowballs chance in Hades of getting anywhere.
Richard, regionally, who do the Rockies have to compete with if fans want to see a Major League baseball game? They’re pulling from a large area with no competition.
Pittsburgh, on the other hand, has Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, and Cleveland all within a reasonable driving distance.
You’re trying hard to turn a lousy ownership problem into a fan base issue, and you’re wrong here.
Richard, here are some more numbers for you.
Pittsburgh’s park has a capacity of 38,747, which they filled at about an 80% rate.
Milwaukee has a capacity of 41,900, which they filled at about a 76% rate. The Brewers had achieved success in the previous two seasons, including two consecutive NL Central titles, too. PECOTA projections were down on them from years prior, but it was still projected to be an 80 win ball club. No one expected Milwaukee to be that bad then, and a lot of tickets probably sold early
I think the fact that they’re really pretty similar speaks to the fact they’re just similar.
If Pittsburgh had an owner that would even just spend some, say to 125m, which is pretty modest, you’d see more people show up at the park.
The Brewers have the smallest media market of all 30 teams.
Wrong…. way wrong.
And let’s not forget that the Pirates, along with the Giants, have one of the two most beautiful stadiums in MLB.
Richard, Please stop posting repetitive posts. Please stop hijacking threads. Please stop posting inaccurate material and facts. Please stop ruining message boards.
How much of that would overlap with Cleveland
As bad as the Pirates have been, a contender will turn that market around. Big if.
Pittsburgh would be an amazing city for baseball of they had an owner that cared.
Pirates are a great baseball market when they have a dedicated owner who will allocate spending to build a winning team.
They had a great team with Jim Leyland managing, Barry Bonds, Bobby Bonilla and many ot her star players and filled up their Pittsburg ballpark.
Fans will flock to games when they have a competent, caring owner who is committed to winning.
Fans know when an owner is gaming the system, just going through the motions and only cares about putting team revenues in his own pockets and not on the major league roster and farm system.
The Ownership of the Cardinals is currently questionable. Whereas — Bill DeWitt Jr. has actually had a hood run as the primary owner of the Cardinals.
However, as he transfers the leadership of the Cardinals ownership more and more to his son, Bill DeWitt III, the quality of the team has f Stunk to an all time low !!!
The younger DeWitt doesn’t possess the “Want to” to obtain, retain and develop quality players to always have a major league team, capable of contending for a National League Championship such as his father has.
Bill DeWitt III’s attitude is to only try to develop Star quality players out of their Farm System and spend no money doing it. Furthermore —- DeWitt III’s philosophy is to only build s as team up enough to end as season as on over .500, to possibly win the last Wild Card position or the Central Division. That’s it. His Goals are far below those of his fathers.
Just as when Augustus Busch Jr. passed away and left the ball team to his son,
Busch III, his interest was do different that he sold the team!!!
That may be exactly what should happen with the DeWitts right now—— because of the low philosophies and championship desire of Bill DeWitt III.
Reinsdorf already agreed to let someone else take over as majority owner…in 2030. In other words, after he passes.
And now I’m jealous of the Rays.
Someday, HHJJ, someday…
Right!?
Awesome. I assume this real estate developer will handle all stadium building, land procurement and funding on his own. No need for the public to be involved in this professionals business.
While I agree with you, there’s never been a team that didn’t divide the stadium deal between the ownership and the public tax. To hold out because of that would be stupid because it’s not likely to change.
I think he was joking
I remember reading that the original Yankee Stadium, dodger Stadium, and Oracle Park were built with 100% private funding. Though the teams might have got deals on the land from the government.
Tax payers shouldn’t be OK with funding stadiums for billionaires. If taxpayers are paying for the stadium to be built, they should own a part of the team that profits off of it.
None of those was built 100% privately funded. All required hundreds of millions in today’s money in land and infrastructure from the taxpayers.
LA kicked 1800 families who had been there for generations out of their homes after taking it through eminent domain and then gave the land away to Walter O’Malley for free to build Dodger Stadium. On top of that the taxpayers paid for changes to the freeway system and other infrastructure that would be worth nearly $1 billion today.
The Giants were given the land to build what is now Oracle Park on. It was estimated that the land was worth $110 million at that time. In today’s dollars that’s more than $300 million.
I agree that taxpayers should not foot the bill for stadiums. They never CREATE revenue, they just shift it from other areas of the community and put that money in billionaires pockets. At the same time, the examples you used of stadiums were not privately financed. All took considerable sums of taxpayer dollars and resources.
Some major sports teams have used private financing successfully.
Joe Robbie was a pioneer in that he financed the building of that Miami stadium with his own cash and credit.
It was initially named Joe Robbie Stadium.
Others have done private financing successfully:
Warriors in SF
Rams in LA with Sofi now shared with Chargers.
Warriors owner Joe Lacob offered to buy the A’s and/or partner with Fisher and build his own A’s stadium in the Bay Area with his own private capital and credit.
Lacob even offered Fisher a partnership in both the Warriors and the A’s if he would work with him to build a new A’s stadium with
in the Bay Area with private cash and credit.
The Billion dollar question is why would Fisher turn down such a lucrative deal from Lacob?!
Was private financing a threat the MLB’s alleged
“shake down the taxpayers racket”
in many American cities?!
Did MLB Owners not want to set a precedent
and expose their corporate welfare stadium schemes
(socialize the risks and costs by getting taxpayers to pay
a percentage of building new stadiums)
then, reaping most or all of the profits for the private owners of the teams?!
The New Yankee stadium was built with private funding.
Regardless he’s right. Stadiums shouldn’t be paid for with public funds. It’s social welfare for billionaires.
>> The New Yankee stadium was built with private funding.
No. You are confusing it with the previous Yankee stadium.
As long as Nashville provides some land, yes.
This needs to happen.
Let’s goooooo get him out of here!!!
I really hope they don’t go to Jacksonville
No chance of that.
He does business in Jacksonville already, so I’m sure he knows better.
Orlando seems far more likely
Nashville is the sleeper choice, fellas.
That’s the only choice now that Vegas is already off the table
They’re not making it to Vegas, Big whiffa.
In an air-conditioned dome?
Jacksonville Rays sounds horrible compared to the nfl team jaguars
Sternburg has previously said that he won’t sell to anyone who’d move the team.
our stadium has a hole in it
our largest contract ever went to a player facing charges with a 14-year-old and just added a firmarm charge
our renovation renderings didn’t work
do you want the team?
????? At least attempt to make a relative comment. Geesch!
Stadium does have a hole in it, doesn’t really matter bc any new ownership would know a new stadium is a must for the future and this stadium is a short term obstacle. Moot point.
The biggest contract isn’t even being paid out right now; and will more than likely be voided entirely if he is charged, which is 99% going to happen. A 2nd moot point.
I just don’t even get what the point of your comment is. Just watch the success of the Bucs and Bolts. A successful sports franchise is something that can be done in the city of Tampa. Why wouldn’t someone wanna buy it?
The Day the Tampa Giants were born Aug 8, 1992.
Bob Lurie sells the Giants to wealthy Florida investment group
knowing their open intent was to move the Giants to Tampa.
Candlestick Park, home of the Tampa Giants, was an even bigger dump than the Oakland Coliseum became in its later years.
Owner Bob Lurie had just lost his 4th or 5th public ballot initiative
in an attempt to stick the costs of his proposed new Giants stadium
on SF Bay Area tax payers.
SF Bay Area Taxpayers are overwhelmingly not in favor of corporate welfare for billionaires.
The Giants moving vans were packing for Tampa Florida.
But a White Knight appeared from the Oakland A’s Ownership Offices.
His name was Walter Haas Jr. then Owner of the A’s.
(Levis-Straus).
Former A’s Owner Haas did many things to block the Giants move to Tampa including:
1)Teamed up with the O’Malley Family (Dodgers Owners at the time)
to line up the votes to block the Giants move to Tampa
2) A’s former Owner Haas Jr Helped line up New Local, well funded SF Bay Area Ownership for the Tampa Giants
for a competing offer to buy the Giants and keep them in the SF Bay Area (Peter McGowan of Safeway Supermarkets)
3) Also, the A’s Haas Jr. LOANED the Giants the A’s 50% share of the A’s Santa Clara County (Silicon Valley/San Jose) territory if it would help the
Giants build a New stadium in San Jose/Santa Clara County
Walter Haas Jr was a businessman who could be trusted with ethics and loyalty to all the fans in the SF Bay Area including his National League business rivals the Giants.
Former MLB Commissioner Bud Selig stated that Walter Haas Jr’s
actions put Major League Baseball’s best interests first and were
commendable especially to help a business and economic rival
survive and thrive in the SF Bay Area competitive market.
How was Walter Haas Jr and the Oakland A’s repayed for his selfless
actions in saving the Giants for the SF Bay Area?!
Selig, Manfred and Fisher treated the A’s in a completely disgraceful manner and appeared to have a long term plan to make the A’s not viable in the Bay Area and to openly push the A’s out of the SF Bay Area.
The big key was Selig, Manfred, Fisher and MLB allegedly openly sabotaging the A’s economic viability in the SF Bay Area over a few decades.
Selig and/or Manfred could have insisted on an Ownership vote
to promptly return the A’s 50% of the A’s territory temporarily LOANED to the Giants when the Giants were pursuing stadium deals in that area.
As soon as the Giants secured the deal to build their new stadium
in SF on the Bay and 50 miles away from Santa Clara County/Silicon Valley/San Jose, then the A’s 50% territory that they LOANED TEMPORARILY TO THE GIANTS SHOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY REVERTED BACK TO THE A’s.
It would have immediately opened the door for the A’s to build their new stadium in Santa Clara County/Silicon Valley and saved the Athletics for the SF Bay Area.
Silicon Valley is full of some of the richest tech companies in the World.
There would have been no shortage of endorsements, naming rights, highly paid tech professionals buying season tickets and selling out A’s games in a New A’s Stadium in Silicon Valley.
IS THIS NOT PROOF POSITIVE that MLB, Commissioners Selig and Manfred, Giants Ownership and current A’s Owner Fisher HAVE BEEN LYING ABOUT THE A’s
EONOMIC VIABILITY IN THE Bay Area FOR DECADES?!
Selig was interviewed and quoted after the MLB vote
to move the A’s to Las Vegas that he was never in favor of the
A’s moving from Kansas City to Oakland?!
So Bud Selig has a long term ax to grind about the A’s
being in the SF Bay Area?!
Is there much more to this story than MLB, Selig, Manfred,
Fisher etc…
are telling MLB fans and the public?!
Sounds like that may be a real possibility…
IRONICALLY, SELIG STOLE THE SEATTLE PILOTS
AND MOVED THAT TEAM TO MILWAUKEE
TO BECOME HIS BREWERS.
Everyone involved in the league has to be excited about this
Yes, when the Rays’ stadium problem gets settled, they can move on with expansion and realignment. MLB is eager to realign into Eastern and Western leagues, like the NHL and NBA.
If I owned the Rays, I could make it a much better franchise. Going off the top of my head for starters, their name is awful and their logo isn’t much better. Florida is known for their alligators. Why not call the team “The Jaws” with a logo of an Alligator with its mouth wide open? Or even a Shark with its mouth wide open? I’m giving out this advice for free, meanwhile they probably pay their advertising department millions per year
Have you taken your meds today?
The Frames! Great avatar.
Great music taste on your part; there’s a near zero chance of anywhere stateside recognizing it.
Um… if you were going to change the logo to a shark or an alligator, wouldn’t it just make more sense to call them the Tampa Bay Sharks or Tampa Bay Gators? Just saying.
How dare you question @LFGMets. He’s his own marketing think tank, chief branding strategist, focus group, and owns NYC’s Madison Avenue. The people have spoken.
@YankeesBleacherCreature If I ran a team with a payroll like the Yankees, Mets, or Dodgers, my team would lose at most 40 games per year. Not only that, but I could think of all the advertising ideas on my own. I’ve seen what these teams put out their, and its awful. Especially the Yankees. I’m guessing your a fan of the Michael Kay Show? I listen to that if I need to wake up early for bed, its so bad that it puts me to sleep
Yea you’re definitely faking this schitzo act
@sfes your just jealous that my ideas are original and that I’m rarely wrong about anything
You’re in fact always wrong and dooming a team during one of their best regular seasons ever.
They actually have 2 logo meanings. 1 is a fish and the other is a beam of sunlight, both of which exist in Florida.
Rays fans like myself don’t even like the name, but it is what it is. What is a Ray? A fish? Then what’s the Starburst on the uniform? No one really knows, but I doubt that it’s changing.
Its that 3 game sweep that has you upset huh?
1.7 Billion with a B?
Does this sale come with or without Parachute?
Does it include a stadium?
And of course, I have to ask this? Do you get Kielbasa?
Why do people get excited when one billionaire replaces another? Do you really think he is going to be THAT different? He is not going to spend every penny he has on the team, billionaires do not become billionaires that way. It is an investment for him and he might start out spending a little more, but he is still in the same Tampa market that has not really supported the team for 30 years. Now if he moves the team to Nashville or Charlotte, they might have something, but if they stay in Tampa (or move to Jacksonville) it will just be more of the same.
Maybe because when your owner is a billionaire that doesnt spend.. you might get one that will!
When you are only averaging 10,000 fans a game in your minor league stadium and that is not really a big drop from when you played in your big league stadium, no owner is going to spend a lot of money on that team. These guys do not become billionaire because they throw their money away.
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve been saying this as a big Rays fan, look at the marlins? All this hype and oh he’s gonna spend he’s gonna spend and then they tear it all down to run it like the Rays… yes the Rays owner sucks for not spending money but nobody can say he’s not committed to winning. He has the number 1 front office and still gives extensions to the front office and Kevin cash. You look at teams like the Rockies and pirates and marlins and reds and these other teams that spend more but don’t invest into what it takes to win. Nobody can say the Rays owner isn’t about winning. Cheap yes, uncompetitive? No.
@kc
Nahh. I’m tired of that ‘be careful what you wish for’ argument to support the current ownership. It’s not only about running the team. That’s only one aspect of being a good owner. The other is being integrated with the community you’re playing in. Even if the new ownership tears it down, moves the team, whatever… They will be in a much better position than playing for Sternberg. Sternberg had zero Fs to give for the TB area. Never advertised, never invested, never engaged fans outside of giveaways and cheap tickets… He was an awful owner. And whether the new ownership sucks or not, well, I’m fine with that. If the Rays turn into the new Rockies or Marlins, so be it. Sternberg is bad for sports. And Sternberg doesn’t care about winning, he cares about the overhead. If he cared about winning he’d invest more money to keep good players in TB, make risky trades, sign big FAs without forcing them to not have a no-trade clause… He destroyed the reputation of the Rays and now most high quality FAs simply do not wanna play for them (Freeman as a recent example).
Because just maybe, the new owner will provide an average MLB stadium experience with functioning storm drains and without a giant hole in the roof?
For who? The Rays don’t have a big enough fan base in that area. It will ALWAYS be a Yankees town. If the Rays move, they have a chance. Otherwise, they will always be a secondary team in their own city.
Just about anywhere in Florida would be better than where they are now. If I were the owner I’d be looking at Orlando or Tampa (actual Tampa, not the bay of Tampa) as the only viable places in the state.
The problem with Tampa, and Florida in general, is that many other big league teams play Spring Training there and have built in fan bases in the area. There are more Yankees fans in Tampa than there are Rays fans and that will always be the case because the Yankees were there before the Rays. Only a couple years, but still. Spring Training towns are not like minor league towns, teams stay there forever. And most of the residents in the area are retired from the northeast as well. It’s just not a place to try and build something from scratch.
The problem with attendance for the Rays is and always has been the same one, location. Its hard to get to the area of St Petersburg where the Trop is located. On a weekday its over an hour to get through rush hour traffic to get there. Until the last couple of years there was absolutely nothing to do close to the ballpark other than the game. It was a blighted area. Not crime filled, just in need of redevelopment.
Put a stadium in Tampa proper, closer for the majority of the population and in an area where you have to cross fewer bridges and they will draw. Maybe not like the Dodgers or Padres, but they will draw more fans than is possible being in St Petersburg.
For a fanbase of a team that never spends, spending in the short term is something to be excited about. The Orioles have almost doubled their payroll from last year.
Also, if you have one of the worst owners in the league, if the next one is just average then you have made a big improvement. This doesn’t need to fix everything to be a move in the right direction
And how has THAT worked out for the Orioles?
Poorly. I can’t imagine the Rays FO would make the mistake of giving 41 year old Charlie Morton 15 million.
Hardly an argument against a team having more money to spend being a positive thing as a fan. No Oriole fan misses Angelos
The new owner, if he actually buys after due diligence, will see the profit margin and make the same decisions.
Most fans have no clue why their team can’t spend a fortune and other teams can.
Manitees!
The next owner will move to team to Jacksonville and play at the Jags stadium Bob Nightingale said so
Jacksonville is a dump.
What? You’ve got something against highways, strip malls, and Applebee’s?
Sternberg last month: I will never sell.
Sternberg now: Yes give me $1.7B.
Reality, bruh. A private sale is not for public consumption and commentary.
That is indeed a good example of public posturing in advance of negotiations. When money is involved, people rarely say the flat truth
Nothing will change unless they relocate the team.
Yes, to Tampa proper. Baseball is a huge draw in the Tampa area. The Rays are not in Tampa.
To anyone who listens to JP Peterson on Fanstream, we knew that this was close. Nothing is 100% yet because of who Stu is, but this is fantastic news meaning that they’re not going anywhere. Fanstream mentioned for the past several months that there were a few local groups ready, just needed the go ahead from Sternburg.
Move the team to Nashville
That was the talk a few years ago.
The Braves ownership says no.
The Braves ownership doesn’t have much say in whether MLB allows a team in Nashville. They are one vote in 30.
CG – The Braves don’t decide if MLB comes to Nashville. That train is already rolling down the tracks thanks to Dave Dombrowski and others:
mlbmusiccity.com/
That’s not bad. You buy a team for $200M, get the city to fund your stadium and MLB to fund your roster. Then you cash out 20 years later 8xing your money with minimal risk.
Good gig if you can find it…
No thanks. Prima Donna employee’s in a ridiculously strong us v them culture with a strong union. Fan base publicly hammering you every little move you make. Huge disparity when it comes to revenue possibilities thereby making it an uneven competition.
Good luck to the brave souls that take that on. Not for me at all.
Tampa is the model small market franchise in MLB. Even the teams with money want to be Tampa. Yet still their owner is hated
Making money is pretty easy if you start out with a lot of it already.
Little bit of work involved in those 20 years. It’s not exactly a sit and forget investment. I think people forget about that part.
I hope this is a good thing for the team and the area. The $1.7B price is higher than Forbes values the franchise. So Sternberg will be cashing in big time on the sale. Now many will think no way the new owner could be worse than Sternberg, but sure could. As a distant observer sure seems like a good time to try a different hand at the wheel. Hope this sale goes through and hope this brings a better baseball experience to the Bay Area.
Florida is for Spring Training, I understand why MLB took a chance on Miami but I will never understand why they put a team in Tampa. It’s a shame for the people who are fans of this team, but it’s obvious to everyone that they’d be better off in another southern market. Nashville, Raleigh, Charlotte being the most obvious. If they do stay in Florida then Orlando is the only thing that makes sense.
@Lifetime – You are spot on. Although at least they now have a head start when it comes to developing a fanbase. It takes two to three generations to build one, and every market down there is impacted by the fact that so many come from elsewhere and have their own affilitations, along with the fact that every spring training area has a built-in base of fans for that team.
From the chatter, one might think that Orlando is the choice if they stay in FLA but who knows.
Sternberg was in it for the money, but at least they managed to put together a series of front office personnel that managed competitive teams despite the financial handicaps and simply atrocious ballpark combined with pathetic attendance. No guarantees with the new guys either.
Tampa is a bigger media market than Miami. Its also bigger than Nashville, Raleigh, and Charlotte.
Yes, these guys don’t understand that the media market is more important than the fans in the stands.
That said, with streaming over cable Tampa may fall short in the $$$ dept.
That’s why Charlotte and Nashville will get major push back from the Braves. Those two areas are Brave country.
No, it’s probably not a bigger market than the non-Florida alternatives when factoring in how many people actually buy the media packages. Just like with the in-person attendance, the Florida franchises just do not draw in proportion to their metro areas’ actual populations, largely due to the state’s demographics that lean heavily towards retirees and Snowbirds.
You do realize what the demographics are for MLB season ticket holders, right?
Nashville is a shared media market between the Reds and Braves. Both teams games are blacked out in the area. I think MLB has made it pretty clear that they see Nashville as a future city for a franchise, ideally through expansion so they can put them in the NL and create a regional rivalry with Atlanta and Cincinnati. The South has been underserved by only having one true regional team for almost 60 years. Nobody is gonna miss the Rays, media market size regardless. Florida doesn’t care about baseball. It’s a football state. Always has, always will.
Baseball owners would miss the Rays and the Tampa/Orlando market, which is why there will continue to be a team there. Your opinion and mine don’t matter.
Tampa is one of the areas that leads the nation in tickets sold to professional baseball games per capita. The hockey teams in Florida sell out consistently.
You have no clue what you’re talking about. The Yankees headquarters is in Tampa, The Phillies are building a 500m mega complex in Clearwater. There’s a reason these franchises want to be in the bay area. The rich history of baseball is more prevalent in the Tampa Bay area possibly more than any other city in the country. A bad owner and a 50 year old stadium in a bad location doesn’t mean baseball won’t work in the region.
Of course there is a rich history, Bob. But note that the Yankees and Phillies are simply greatly improving their minor league development headquarters down there (the Jays are just up the road in Dunedin as well).
The challenge has been for the major league franchises down there to build their base of support, and that takes time. Generations.
In Clearwater surrounding there are more Phillies fans than Rays fans (from the demographic info that I have seen). Yankees and Tampa similar…old support systems take time to change. But given patience – sure, Tampa still works.
It will be up to the rich boys that buy the team to figure it out however and Tampa could put up a heck of a fight vs. Orlando.
1.5 Bil return. And could go higher with a Bidding War. Nice.
Maybe MLB could take the crazy step of vetting the new ownership so we don’t just trade a Sternberg/Nutting/Fisher/Reinsdorf for another.
Most of them are only interested in the sale at top dollars going through because it increases the valuations of their own franchise. If you had $2B to make the Rays purchase, they’ll probably approve to sell to you provided you hire an outside management firm to take over.
Why? What MLB looks at is not what fans look at when it comes to admittance to the country club.
The question will be if the sale goes through will you have an owner with a better plan or maybe be smart enough to move to Nashville or a stronger market.
There won’t be a move to a different state. Manfred has stated that he wants the expansion ball rolling by the time he retires in 2029.
The league breathes a sign of relief
Nationals next
Just send them to Nashville already.
I’m not sure why people think that new ownership will be better.
Here we go again…
The fiasco that is MLB in Florida needs to be done. Spring training and minor leagues are fine but there is no data that shows fans will show up. It doesn’t matter the product you put on the field or that amount spent on a new stadium. The Florida teams are luxury tax recipients and AAAA Minor leagues for other teams to trade with. Move the Marlins and Rays to places where fans will show up. Billion dollar stadiums should be built in places that will make the game better and expand interest. When only 12,000 people showed up to a Rays playoff game last season, that felt like the final straw. Don’t built it, they won’t come.
Move the Rays to Tampa and fans would show up. As the article states, the biggest problem with attendance in the Tampa Bay area is that the team is NOT in Tampa, its in the difficult to get to St Petersburg.
They haven’t consistently sold out the single a Yankees stadium in Tampa ,where they are playing this year, (about 1 mile from the interstate, located on a major thoroughfare) that holds far less than their average attendance at the Trop. Tampa is not the answer.
Minor league stadium. Outdoors in Florida heat. You were expecting them too? They have sold the 3rd most seats available of any team in MLB. Only the Padres and Phillies have sold a larger percentage.
I wasn’t, but they were. That is the ‘they’ that wants the team in Tampa.. If you want to have the team in Tampa, prove it. Get 10046 fans in the seats +SRO every game. Of course, over half of those fans going to these games are in neighboring counties…like Pinellas…where I’m driving from. A 17 year season ticket holder btw.
They are selling out a higher percentage of games at the Yankees minor league, open air ballpark that is subject to constant rainouts and has few of the fan amenities of a major league park than the Yankees are selling out at Yankee Stadium. They ARE proving it.
It takes less time on a weeknight to get to Steinbrenner Field from Clearwater in Pinellas County where I own a home (about 30-35 minutes) than to the Trop (1 hour 10-30 minutes). I still have an office in Tampa on N. Tampa and Madison in the Connectwise Bldg.
Television and radio ratings are excellent. The Tampa Bay Rays have fans. Tropicana Field was antiquated when the team first started playing there. It’s been the worst stadium in baseball, every single season of its existence.
If it weren’t for two massive hurricanes, within a week of each other, they would have already broken ground on that amazing stadium plan that has now fallen apart. It came down to money and the current ownership just does not have the finances to do what it takes to build a competitive long-term team in the area.
There’s no reason to believe that, with a state of the art home, and even a middle of the road payroll, the baseball can’t survive in the Tampa Bay area. It’s a big Media market.
Some people think that the stadium has to be in Tampa rather than St. Petersburg. That might be somewhat true, but the population of St. Petersburg keeps growing and growing. Hopefully we wind up with a new owner with “$pit Tons” of money. I’m talking LIQUID, not just “wealthy”
St Peterburg and Pinellas County as a whole is growing at a much slower rate than Tampa and Hillsborough County and actually saw a slight decline in 2023 and 2024. Pinellas County was the only county in the Tampa Bay area to see a decline in population.
That info is from various articles in the Tampa Bay Times and from the US Census.
The only way for the team to prosper in terms of attendance is to move to Hillsborough County, in other words Tampa proper.
Why do you think so few people showed up? We fans have been tired of the circus that is Sternberg! Nickel and diming to the playoffs only to be blown out by real teams that spend. We aren’t stupid and we know they will never win the World Series with current ownership because they are simply too risk-averse to make bold deals. They focus on survival to be competitive enough to get people watching, but then are proven again and again that they will not win against teams that spend on real talent.
The Tampa Bay Times has had article after article about why people outside of St Peterburg are not showing up. Travel time to games is #1 by far. Over 60% said that was the primary reason. #2 is a bad stadium. #3 was nothing to do in the area surrounding the Trop. #4 was the team on the field.
Its interesting that while all three of the investors named have ties to Florida, none have direct ties to Tampa. There may be other minority investors involved that have close Tampa ties, but these three are not residents nor are their businesses HQ’d there. The Rays may be on the move.
Steve, Tampa is not a small media market, its the 11th largest in the nation. Also, the Rays control the Orlando media market for baseball and Orlando is the 15th largest, so its actually a very large media market. Combined at over 4 million TV households its the 4th largest behind Chicago. That is why MLB is so intent on keeping a team there,
“Sternberg has owned the Rays for more than two decades years.”
Uh, no. Apparently nobody edits these articles.
You’re hired! The starting pay is $0.00.
Are these investors delusional?
The Rays are in a market that cannot gate and cannot make money.
Plus the USA economy is starting to tank and will enter depression land as the USA dollar hyper inflates. That means sports franchises will land at 5-10% of their value than they are today. It is not if, it is when. Maybe 4-5 years? Trump can’t save the USA economic meltdown, no one can. This is economics 401.
Don’t do it.
No. The Rays are in the 11th largest media market int he nation and also control the 15th largest in Orlando. The MSA is the 17th largest in population and the fastest growing among MLB cities.
They have the misfortune of playing in a really, really bad stadium that is located in a really, really hard location to get to for the fans. Moving to Tampa proper solves that and keeps them in a huge media market.
If the current USA macroeconomics weren’t what they are I might agree with you. I think the investors can buy it for pennies on the dollar sooner than later. Patience is the key. Wait a few years. No one else is lining up to buy this club at the moment. They are bidding against themselves.
Why do you care??????
If they build in Tampa and St Pete, it will continue to be a failure. It is just not a baseball town, and neither was Miami.
Bear Fish, the Tampa area is one of the hottest baseball areas in the country with one of the highest per capita attendance rates at professional baseball games.
The problem is the location of the Rays ballpark. Picture this, you get off work at 5 pm, try to get home in rush hour traffic to get the wife and kids, and then it takes you 1+ hours to get to the ballpark. You arrive having spent 2 hours since you left work in your car and now you get to a really bad ballpark in a not so great area of town with practically nothing to do except go to the game and you barely make it in time for the game anyway. Then you have to spend another hour getting home. That 3 hour game, is a 6+ hour investment of your time. Would you go to many games?
If you were honest, the answer was no. Even if you are a die-hard fan you might take in a few a year and certainly none on a week day. THAT is the problem for the Rays.
If they moved to Hillsborough County/Tampa proper, that would alleviate most of the problem. A new stadium would alleviate a part of the problem.
The Marlins fleeced the citizens to put a ballpark in a ghetto. Have you BEEN to a game there? I am a diehard baseball fan and can get free tickets to any games I want to attend there and still will only attend day games when I am in town there.
They haven’t consistently sold out the single a Yankees stadium in Tampa ,where they are playing this year, (about 1 mile from the interstate, located on a major thoroughfare) that holds far less than their average attendance at the Trop. Tampa is not the answer.
They are third in MLB in percentage of seats sold and that is in a minor league park outdoors with a 30% chance of a rain out. You thought they would sell out all the games.
They have sold out 21 of 47 home games.
jimmertee;
You must get your propaganda from the CBC.
Fact is that US economic figures are growing; employment has picked up; inflation has started to come down particularly thanks to gas prices; and this is just the beginning. Depression? LOL The US is on track to having the strongest economy it its history over the next 3-4 years.
Meanwhile, your country is living off the proceeds from western providences which the government has been straggling to such a point that the people in those providences have started a Secessionist Movement.
Have been big fan of Danielle Smith for 3-4 years now. Follow Canadian news some. The woman is truly brilliant with common sense and a strong will. Wish she could run for Governor in one of the largest states in the US.
This is a MLB site, not a political one.
As an aside, I live in Alberta and am a conservative and don’t want anything to do with her being voted back in or separation. Nor do do I know many, if any, who would actually vote in support of separation.
Tell it to jimmertee.
MLB is never really affected by national economics. Whatever the situation, they will profit because the sport is so bloated with money. Even if most middle or low income fans can’t afford to go, it doesn’t matter. They will still get revenue sharing from richer teams. They will still have corporate investments. They will still have TV deals. They managed the COVID era with rarely a scratch. Even if the economy tanks, MLB has proven that it survives in its own bubble.
He is causing the US impending recession and meltdown
by ticking off all our trading partners and his chaotic economic policies.
Tariffs are a tax on consumers.
Corporations and governments do not pay tariffs.
Tariffs are just passed on to consumers of products
resulting in much higher prices
that consumers pay when they buy things.
$1.7B for a team that can’t get anyone to attend their games even when they’re good? Not bad
Build a new stadium in Ybor City.
Or near Raymond James. On the Yankees spring training practice fields. That must be about 12-14 acres. Plenty of room. Great location.
This Rays fan couldn’t be happier to hear it. With time, it has become more and more obvious that our owners couldn’t realistically afford to own an MLB team. Notice how they purchased the team for $200mil and are selling for $1.7bil? Owning a major league team doesn’t mean making massive profits every season. There are better investments in the world than professional sports teams, but if you’re willing to put up the money to feel the competitive team and hopefully win, one day when you sell the team… THAT’S when you make your BIG money!
We were so preoccupied with trying to turn a profit do on a year to year basis (or at least not LOSE money), that our team was always at a disadvantage (bottom 3-5 in payroll). Hopefully the new owner not only understands what it takes to consistently win in the show, but they are “liquid” enough and willing to di what it takes! You’re already filthy rich if you’re buying a team, so don’t worry about year-to-year profits… Look what happens when you sell the team!
It’s not all complaints about current ownership, though. Have to be fair. Since 2010, the Tampa Bay Rays have the fourth highest regular season winning percentage. Says so much about the Management, players, farm system, on down to scouting, etc…
We’ve been lovable underdogs that have stood tow to toe against the Yankees and Red Sox in our division. But now it’s time to get a real stadium, hopefully a middle of the road pay roll, oh….and one more thing. Let’s FINALLY get a World Series Ring!!!!
“Have to be fair. Since 2010, the Tampa Bay Rays have the fourth highest regular season winning percentage. Says so much about the Management, players, farm system, on down to scouting, etc…”
TBRaysBucsBolts;
Correct.
Mr. Sternberg made his money running hedge funds in NYC. To be successful in that business at the time, one had to be brilliant in working with numbers.
When Mr. Sternberg bought the Rays he worked with Andrew Friedman to build a Baseball Ops system that is a mix of fundamental baseball and analytics in order to put together rosters they could afford based on their revenues. For all the ridiculous accolades Billy Beane and his Moneyball gets, truth be told it has been Mr. Sternberg’s Rays that have truly revolutionized MLB to a point where most teams have copied the Rays approach to some degree, and some teams point-blank totally copying it. (Not to mention how many organizations poach the Rays FO people and coaches.)
All the baseball-challenged commentators on here posting that now the Rays will spend and be successful, will be posting in 3-4 years asking why the Rays stopped being competitive. Start here—> Name a bad long-term player contract the Rays have gotten stuck with that limited what they could do one year in putting together a team.
The Rays should be moved out of Tampa Bay.
They have been a consistently winning team since 2018 and have always been at the bottom of the league in attendance.
To the complaints that they don’t spend on payroll, I say, “So, what?” They win.
They’ll stay in Florida. As to where? My guess is it’s 100000% not going to be St. Pete
Tampa, Orlando, Jacksonville? Far more likely.
My guess is the developer will do what developers do… get a stadium with all the stuff around it to happen. My guess is Tampa and Orlando OVER Jacksonville.
Of course, Jacksonville has a large stadium that could warehouse the team for a few years. I can’t see them staying an in minor league park again.
Likely Tampa as they can now see a small sample of the crowds in Tampa and it already seems a bit better than St Pete. With Sternberg out of the picture it’s possible they’ll be able to negotiate a deal with Tampa (who wants the Rays to put in more money than St Pete).
I agree. They see selling 89% of the available seats in Tampa while at an outdoor facility without MLB amenities for fans.
Jacksonville MSA population is only ~1.8 million, vs. over 3 million for each of Tampa-St. Pete and Orlando.
Jacksonville would be the second-smallest MSA with an MLB team, ahead of only Milwaukee. And Milwaukee, as the biggest metro in Wisconsin, probably does better than a team in Jacksonville would at generating fan interest among a bunch of people living outside the MSA.
I highly doubt that Jacksonville is a viable market for MLB.
If only the headline said, “Pirates’ Owner Bob Nutting in “Advanced” Talks to Sell Team.” A Pirates’ fan can only dream.
So, potentially, the Rays won’t continue to be the minor league team that readies players for major league service? What will MLB do without this pipeline?
The Pirates have done that for years for the NL. Skenes, Jared Jones, Ke’Bryan Hayes, ONeil Cruz to name a few will only get better once they’re traded from Pittsburgh to a team that wants to win.
Don’t the Rays have the 4th best record in baseball the past 15 years?
They just need a new stadium. Sell the team if necessary but you gotta also leave the Monstrosity Tropicana Field too.
Sternberg skillfully bought on the cheap, worked to get revenue sharing rules changes, and got other teams to pay for his roster. Smart man.
As a Ray’s fan, I would prefer the Team just move since for one instance, they haven’t provided us fans with a decent venue since the beginning. Frankly, another state/city would be besr.
I’ll sound dumb for asking this, but why are many commenters here approving of this news?
Not too hard to hate a stingy MLB owner making loads of money while investing bare minimum at putting a competitive product on the field. He also was very hostile towards the area, introduced a bogus split-city idea, never invested in the local communities, and was known to be very awful to discuss with. His media circus regarding the fallout of the deal was so mishandled and very tone deaf of the people of the community who had just experienced a major hurricane because his only focus was on the the costs to build a new stadium or repair the Trop and any cost overruns due to delays. When you have other premier sports organizations in the Lightning and Bucs who not only invest in their teams but also the local community, the Rays stick out like a sore thumb. You see banners on buildings advertising the Lightning and Bucs, but the Rays are notably absent.
Will MLB allow the Rays to be sold to a competent owner? It seems like, when MLB is doing things with their Florida teams, they prefer the lesser choice over the better choice for ownership. See what they’ve done to the Marlins.
Putting in Loria over Cisneros who was blocked out
Loria selecting Sherman over Mas with that whole farce of a “deadline” to submit offers after it was clear that Mas would outbid anything Sherman would offer…leading to the reports/rumors that Mas was prevented from topping Sherman’s bid again because of the “deadline”.
Heck, MLB even interferes in other areas like preventing Mark Cuban from getting in when he’s shown to be a better sports owner than at least 10 MLB owners.
How would Cuban deal with no cap?
@sports_fan9921
Better than at least 10 of the current MLB owners do – maybe better than 15.
MLB is run like an “Old Boys Network Country Club”.
Even rich white guys need a “secret password” to
get approved as a New MLB Owner.
MLB pulled that same kind of sheet with the Oakland A’s.
Multiple billionaires were lining up to buy the A’s and build them a new stadium in the SF Bay Area with private capital and credit.
MLB sabotged multiple much better offers than Wolfe and Fisher for the A’s Ownership.
Wolfe (fraternity brother of Bud Selig) and his side kick Fisher
get “back door, no public bidding approval” to buy the A’s”.
Bud Selig told Reggie Jackson to “trust me, I will get you through the process and approved by MLB Owners”.
Next thing Reggie and his well funded Ownership group
were told by Bud Selig is that the A’s had already been
sold to Lew Wolfe and Fisher. Wolfe was a fraternity brother
of Selig in college in Wisconsin.
Jackson and his financial partners: Bill Gates, Paul Allen, John McCaw
were never even given serious consideration.
Sounds exactly like the whole deal with Jeffrey Loria, John Henry and Bud Selig when Loria was moved to Miami after destroying MLB in Montreal, and Henry moved to Boston after miraculously finding money to buy the Red Sox for more money than it would’ve cost him to build his own stadium in Miami and owning the Marlins like he already did, but of course, cried like a pauper whenever he was negotiating with the City of Miami, but wanted more than just the free land and tax exemptions he was already given and granted.
Yep, ‘Good Ole Boy Network Country Club’ is the perfect description. There’s no other explanation for what MLB did in Oakland, have done twice to the Marlins to bring Loria and then Sherman in, and what I’m guessing they’ll do in Tampa when this sale is all done. Can they give any other explanation why Loria was owner over Gustavo Cisneros or why Sherman is the current owner over Jorge Mas? And let’s get the list of owners that are less deserving of ownership than Mark Cuban.
Brooklyn has been without a team for too long.
The Mets say hello!
I’m sure their lawyers can explain exclusivity and territorial rights to you. And then the Yankees’ lawyers will explain it and how it applies for the rest of NY.
Once Stu opted out of the St. Petersburg Stadium deal this was the most likely outcome.
Finally, MLB Commissioner Manfred pressures an owner to sell his MLB team, who is playing and abusing the revenue sharing system and living and profiting off MLB revenue sharing?!
The A’s Owner, John Fisher, should have been forced to sell the A’s to local SF Bay Area ownership decades ago!!!
When all in said and done, if you do the math, you will find that Fisher has milked MLB for well over a billion dollars in MLB subsidies including:
1) 2025 30M AND A’s receiving various amounts of yearly revenue sharing for decades,
2) Waiver of the A’s 300M relocation fee by MLB
3) MLB chipping in with hundreds of millions to help finance a New stadium in Las Vegas.
If an open bidding process had been ordered by MLB for the A’s
in 2005 when former fraternity brother of Bud Selig Lew Wolfe sold the A’s in a backroom deal with no competitive bidding to John Fisher, then a qualified Ownership group (like Reggie Jackson/Bill Gates
OR Warriors Owner Joe Lacob who had a standing/open offer to buy the A’s for years) then one of these groups OR
another well funded SF Bay Area group could have build a brand new A’s stadium with their own cash and credit somewhere in the SF Bay Area like San Jose/Santa Clara/Silicon Valley.
MLB Commissioners Selig and Manfred, A’s Owner Fisher and Giants Ownership created the A’s stadium problem and refused to fix the problem in an, apparent, concerted effort to force the A’s out of the SF Bay Area.
Those are the known Facts!
No excuses!
Some may see the MLB move to Las Vegas as a “sellout to corporate gambling interests”?!
Wouldn’t Former MLB Commissioner and Federal Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis be appalled by this outcome?!
“Jesus, I have seen what you’ve done for other people, and I want that for me.”
As a Florida resident I say move the Rays to anywhere but FL. We just do not adequately support sports franchises and don’t need to have taxpayers funding stadiums.
The average attendance for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers last year was 63,689
Maybe John Henry is part of the new group. After all, the Rays and the way they do business is his ultimate mission as owner